Continuation of an interview: Gennady Korban: Lazarenko thought that it betrayed Axelrod.

“Between Tymoshenko and Kolomoisky never had warm relations”

– What is your relationship now with Igor Kolomoisky and Gennady Bogolyubov?

– I want to say that I have excellent relations with all. More than just beautiful – they are friendly.

I’m friends with Bogolyubov and Kolomoisky, and Akhmetov, Surkis, and I’m friends with the Yaroslavl and sometimes communicate with Pinchuk. I like all men of real good relationship. And when the tragedy occurred, I called and Akhmetov, and Bogolyubov and Kolomoisky and Surkis. They simply expressed their condolences. Just found a human word. It’s nice when you have such powerful friends. But, unfortunately, they are no help in this situation.

– That is, these people share business and personal?

– Of course, business and personal relationships – are two different things. In addition, I have to date not with Akhmetov, nor Kolomoisky or Bogolyubov with or with no Surkis osculating business, which may be due to at least some differences.

– You’re doing some big projects?

– I was engaged in those projects, which involved the Gene.

– Now What will happen to them?

– Some projects are already working, generate revenue. Some projects exist only on paper. Some of them I’ll try to finish. Although I do not know if it will work for me. Because it worked professionally Gene.

He is talented conceptology. Bogolyubov called him a genius. First Bogolyubov began to bring foreign conceptology here. They have something to draw, given reports that many stops, how much traffic. But in order to build something in this country, you see, feel, understand a man who wants to do it and wants to spend money. So when Gene Bogolyubov introduced the idea of ??”Menorah”, he called me and said that he was a genius.

That is the Menorah. View from the shopping center

– Faithful Is the impression that Kolomoisky are extruded from the “Ukrnafta” from “Ukrtatnafta” of all the businesses?

– I do not know, he does not share with me on this subject. Judging from his conversation and appearance, he was feeling fine and in terms of business, and in terms of relationships with politicians. If squeezed it right, perhaps it would have been seen, it would be a PR. So I think that it’s all right.

Maybe it had something to do, somewhere narrow. But this is business. He refers to this very pragmatic, very philosophically, I would say.

– What does the fact that he did not participate in the tender for the privatization of “Dniproblenergo”? This is a signal that the region is already controlled by other people?

– Control of the region for a long time for other people. Because, unfortunately, he left the Bogoliubov region. They just got here not interested. These people are different sizes. They went to those regions that correspond to their scale. Maybe that’s why he had not fought for “Dniproblenergo.” Maybe, even, for some reason.

Maybe there was such a team – not to participate. Previously, there was no such instruction, there was no instruction at all. So you could go to court to oblige the Fund, to prohibit or stop. But now a team, but there is no conflict .. Maybe it is correct.

– He still has a chance to select the Odessa Port through the courts? Your opinion as a professional.

– I think it is. He actually bought it at an auction fair. This auction was also attended by Russian companies, but that he offered the highest sum. Just then Tymoshenko said that she had little money and decided to terminate the deal. She went bad.

Left - Gennady Korban, in the center - Igor Kolomoisky, right - Shimon Briman, journalist portal IzRus

– among them were really warm relationship?

– Between them, never had a warm relationship. It’s a myth that somehow support the journalists. He met with many politicians, including Ms Tymoshenko, tried to discuss any questions. But she did not patronized, even though they are from the same region.

You know, Dnipropetrovsk businessmen and politicians is a disgusting trait: They smile at each other in the face, seems to agree on something, and once apart, do the exact opposite.

– Violate the word?

– Of course. In this case, I do not mean Kolomoisky. But there is such a manner.

– Donetsk manner exactly the opposite.

– Yes, there is little other work psychology.

– And there is, for example, the Odessa psychology of business, or even any, Lviv?

– Surely. I speak only of Dnepropetrovsk, which I know and see. Kuchma had fought against Lazarenko, Lazerenko fought with Kuchma, Tymoshenko was at war with Pinchuk Pinchuk with Tymoshenko Kolomoisky with Pinchuk Pinchuk with Kolomoisky. The war of all against all. It’s sad. Maybe it is a sign of degeneracy once glorious large region.

– Do you agree with the version that Kuchma brought the case to take away part of the business at the Pinchuk?

– I am sure it is not connected with the business, it’s just politics. The current government must show that she is trying to apply an objective, not only to strangers, but also to his or her once.

– International status, which was trying to make himself Pinchuk in recent years, it is somehow protected?

– Yes. Paradoxically – Pinchuk and Akhmetov are very meticulous, very strongly engaged in their own image, and it gives results. Kolomoisky applies to this case, it is not engaged in his own image. And so it is often a bad thought, although he is very talented, very original businessman.

I just think that Kolomoisky not interested in public opinion, and therefore they are not engaged. Although we can not say that is not engaged. They created a community for their money Gene has built “Menorah”.

– I saw in Israel a plaque that says about their enormous contribution to the arrangement of Jerusalem.

– Yes, Bogolyubov really great things. But they can be a little more to do with it, so they are not PR.

– How would you describe Firtash?

– You do not. I do not know him.

I’m not going to do this more

– you called raider. You call yourself a more tolerant – Conflict. This activity will you do next?

– No. This activity has exhausted itself for several reasons. I can name the main factors of why this activity is almost over. It ended, not because I finished it. She finished everything, even those that hunted on a small scale.

– You mean the arrival of “Donetsk”?

– I do not mean the coming of Donetsk. The most important factor in completion of this activity – a loss of liquidity.

To perform redistribution, it is necessary for the war to spend a lot of money. Today, global markets are in deep crisis. I believe that it is not just not over and in front of its second wave. Therefore, the value of the Ukrainian fallen so low that it makes no sense to spend money on the redistribution of those assets.

– They are easier to buy?

– Buy or do not touch it, because these assets do not generate profits. It was possible to engage in any asset, when he makes a profit, and has consistently grown its cost. And today, even if you take the big business … Let him try to sell the oil business Kolomoisky. Who? For love or money? Who buys it? Who are today hundreds of millions or billions? I read people, and they will not buy it. Foreigners or foreign companies that own such a resource, too, will not buy it. They are not interested, it’s a small market. It’s not even China, not Russia, not Brazil, not a big country. I’m talking about conventionally Kolomoisky, the same can be said about the Pinchuk, Akhmetov about.

The second factor – but not without the participation of the authorities. But they have not done anything concrete to stop it. They just built a very strong vertical. Previously, you could work through the courts and other organs, because without the vertical was easy to make horizontal connections. And today, to solve a conflict, does not necessarily apply to the courts. You can refer to the vertical of power, and power his team to resolve this conflict.

This activity has lost all meaning and all content. I’m not going to do this next. First, I stepped in 40 years. I do not want to just do it. I would like to engage in the creative business.

Second, in this country, I went through all the biggest sites. I have reached its peak in this sort of activity. And if you come to me tomorrow, owners who will share syrzavodik or dairy factory, I am simply not interested, and even disgusting.

– The era when loggers have played a key role in corporate conflicts have left?

– Yes. They no longer have any value. For the simple reason – the State Commission on Securities obliged, in my opinion, to the end of 2012 to move to a so-called book-entry form release. The Registrar now sees only a nominee. He does not see the owner, he does not know to whom to write off stocks. And here is a nominee, the local guardians, have seen the account owner. And here it is possible to hide – such as a depository – that it was impossible to see even the owner of a local custodian. This is a progressive step.

– but you can still work?

– Harder, much harder.

– you see people in Ukraine who can compare with you in the conduct of conflict?

– No. In that work, which I did not. I do not know whether to brag about it. These people do not.

– Do you still have stakes in large enterprises, for which you mentioned earlier – “Ukrtatnafta”, “Ukrnafta”, “Ukrtelecom”, “Dniproblenergo”, “Kyivenergo”, “AvtoZAZ”, “Styrene” “Khartron”?

– Yes, I have a stock of “Ukrtelecom”, there is action “Khartron” and “AvtoZAZ.” But there is no conflict. Gene is usually joked: “You’ve got a percentage of the whole country.”

Sometimes I just bought the shares – not in order to arrange some kind of conflict or redistribution, but simply as an attachment. Because I know in the stock markets. And the action, such as “Styrene”, “Ukrtelecom”, or “Ukrnafta” I seemed attractive at the time.

– How do you evaluate their own actions on such objects: “Baby,” “House of Political Education”, hotel “Astoria”, Park Globa, “Rybalsky careers,” shopping center “Kirov” plant “Zlagoda”?

– There was a time, somewhere, and now even the echoes of his coming, when I attributed to any conflict that occurs in this country. For example, there was some conflict in the elevator, and friends called me and asked how one can agree with me. And I did not mean he did not have to do with it – never heard of hearing. This trail is slowly dying because there are fewer conflicts. But let’s specifically.

Shopping Passage - the facade

Passage mall - inside the shopping center

“Children’s World” – it was a joint stock company, in which 30% or so owned by the Director, “Children’s World.” The rest were citizens of Ukraine. And I started to buy these shares. After that came the director, and sold for good money (she was pleased with) his stake.

Then we tore down the “Children’s World”, because it was ugly building, together with the hotel “Central”, which we also bought with money from the owners. We have never bought nothing from the government, we worked on the secondary market. We demolished the two buildings and built a “Passage”. Gene built his. Building, planning, kontseptiroval, engaged in renting.

– “House of Political Education”?

– This is one of the objects Lazarenko. When he ended his political career, then flattered himself that his party “Hromada” will increase political influence. Even after the prime minister, as chairman of the regional council and conducting pre-election program, he announced additional payment of all pensioners over 10 hrn. To do this, it does not just take the money and make them legally. Then the regional council decided to sell a huge number of objects owned by the regional council – including the Catholic church.

– In effect?

– He has not acted. The community demanded a transfer to her temple. We helped them pick up, now he is with them, they have it restored.

Then Lazarenko, including the Catholic church bought. The competition came to a certain American corporation “Dugsbery”. It was not even a contest, in those years practicing targeted for sale. They sold the corporation “Dugsbery” a huge number of objects in the city center.

He has already decided two things – got ownership of the company, and made the necessary amount of money to finance political issues. Of course, ownership of these objects has always been questionable, and it flared up from time to time conflicts with what the prosecution, then by the State Property Fund.

According to the “House of Political Education,” as far as I know there are solutions to higher court, which is fixed in one way or another owner of the property right. The court’s decision to comment properly.

– Hotel “Astoria”?

– The same.

– Globa Park?

– Do not have nothing, never had. Globa Park is city property. And even the city of his, I’ve heard, is going to reconstruct.

– LLC “Rybalskaya bat”?

– Never had a relationship.

– Shopping Centre “Kirov”?

– There was a conflict with Mr. Arutyunov, a deputy from the Yulia Tymoshenko Bloc. He ended, all were in their own interests. This conflict has been exhausted in 2007. There’s actually nothing to share.

– Combine “Zlagoda”?

– Do not have relationships.

– Think of the situation “Ozerka” and Kurochkin. Perhaps you have an opinion about all this.

– Of course there is. I have been a direct participant in these events.

– Who could have ordered Kurochkin?

– I will not comment on it. I can say that this is not related to the “Ozerkov.” He had other businesses, is much larger than a “Ozerki”, and in these other businesses he had a conflict. Generally, at the time of his arrival in Ukraine dispute was settled and resolved in terms of money. Moreover, he even asked my guard and armored car. To which I said to him: “We’re not such great friends. Do you have your opportunity, use the”. And anyway, I did not recommend travel to Ukraine. But he was smart, he made his decisions. What came of it – we all know.

“Coward, everybody, but nobody claimed to give the business “

– In Dnepropetrovsk is “looking” like, say, in Kiev?

– No, in Dnepropetrovsk is somewhat different situation. I can tell you absolutely confidently, not in order to throw someone bream.

Alexander Vilkul

Vilkul Alexander, who placed here as a governor – progressive enough young man. Since the time of Lazarenko’s the only governor who is actually doing something for the city. After Lazarenko as the city was abandoned. Hence the left all the oligarchs, and nobody here does not do it. Even Tymoshenko … She could win the election, if anything did for his native city. But she did not lift a finger hit. Vilkul made the road – before this it was impossible to drive at all. Looks like he is a workaholic, actually sitting at work.

I almost do not talk it, we just know each other. We had known each other 10 years ago when he worked for the Southern GOK, and I was doing this project. That was in 2001.

– Do you believe that he could become prime minister?

– I think he has a great political future. He has very good backers. In addition, it is itself a very active person. Moreover, the governor came, they searched for their interest in here somewhere. For example, Vladimir Yatsuba it sought to “Ozerki” Viktor Bondar – in some lands. Here, I do not see it.

– wrote that Cooper was patronized by you.

– No, we just talked. I am of them do not need anything, and never have been. We are self-contained structure, and never ask the authorities – either land or buildings, or contracts. We’re just doing the usual normal business. So I rarely get to talk with the case one way or another governor. But I can say that this is very different from previous ones.

– In Ukraine is the redistribution of property. What do you think about the demonization of individuals such as the Jura and Alexander Enakievo Yanukovich?

– It is hard to judge because I do not know one or the other. I’ve heard rumors like everyone else, but I have never encountered such things. And I know that the local governor is very hard to respond to such attacks when they occur. Therefore, trying to relate to these stories very well, without making explicit findings. I think that some people on the ground trying to act in their interests, hiding behind the names of significant people.

– Local business people are not influential “coward”?

– “Truth” of all, but it was not associated with the property. There were problems at all with the advent of the new government. But this should be treated philosophically: Red came the white came. All of our orders, we must be able to adapt to them. Yes, trotted the tax authorities, DAEC different. But no one is required to give a business the share of the business or facility. New people came, they need something to live.

– Why is not the business away from Konstantin Zhevago? Many have tried.

– Causes of three. The first – as he tried to protect their business by making an IPO. So he tried to advance to protect their main asset – Poltava GOK. Everything else – it’s rubbish. Poltava Mining – a really good asset expensive.

The second reason – is that none of the persons concerned did not apply to professionals.

– That is, you would be able to take away?

Konstantin Zhevago YuGOK would have lost if he had to deal with Korban

– I could not. I know the history of Poltava GOK. And this is a dirty history of privatization. I’m not afraid of those words, it is a fact. I’m surprised at all, as he did with such a privatization IPO. Usually, foreigners are watching closely these questions.

To pick up his little team. You do not come just like that, not zaberesh. You need a very clear, very meticulous, scrupulous, professional work. It should be understood to return to the past or go into the future. This refers to the technologically and legally.

And the third reason is very banal. I alone was unable to finance such a conflict. There are stakeholders who are able to finance such a conflict. And they began to think and talk about things like reputation. They now have a new expression – “reputational risks”.

I am a cynic in this regard. A little funny to hear when they talk about reputational risks. Maybe it’s a kind of evolution, when a person has had enough, picked up, he was great, and he wants to have respect. Respect – is, first of all, reputation.

If any of the oligarchs was lit in such a conflict, though the company is on the IPO, he would have suffered significant reputational risks.

“Dnepropetrovsk into a county town”

– The “Proton 21”, dealing with scientific developments in nuclear physics. What is this?

– For many years I was engaged in this project. Now he is in a frozen state, as previously funded by Bogolyubov and Kolomoisky. They got into this project is completely random, even under Kuchma – he had them dragged into this thing somehow, I do not know the details.

It’s really very scientific project. They spent a lot of money there. When the amount of investment has exceeded a certain limit, Bogolyubov asked me to go into this project. And I fell a little in this project, because a child was fond of entertaining physics.

Those phenomena that I have seen – it is simply inexplicable. I do not want to be considered crazy. But they just flip the view of traditional physics. Unfortunately, the project is located in an abandoned state. Because these projects – it’s not even a project hierarchy with Kolomoisky. Such projects – a project of the state, the project is NASA. There have to spend hundreds of millions just to the scientific part, not to mention the part of the application. Applied part could cost billions. But that’s where I’ve seen – it is really a miracle, and it can really solve many problems of mankind. I think that the project “Proton” just ahead of time.

– Ukraine has a future in science?

– I think not. The main scientific potential located in the developed countries that can fund the research. In our sit Academy professors who are dogmatists. A country’s intellectual potential is also fairly low. Nearby there is Russia, where these questions are very well funded. Nearby there is Israel, where these issues are well funded. Is the United States, in the end.

When I deeply realized the project “Proton”, then just come to Bogolyubov and Kolomoisky, and said: “Of course, I can not spend your money. But I think that you do not have enough money to bring this project to the application of” .

Maybe in some small things, and we would have. But first, there is a very strong resistance to traditional science, and the Academy of Sciences, and general science in the world. This is a whole world of its own, which has its own subculture, where it is necessary to take into co-authorship of Nobel laureates. When I grasped it, then realized it was not mine. So I told them: “I propose to present this project and everything connected with it, the State of Israel.”

The residential complex

– In Dnepropetrovsk has a future?

– Gene said no.

– What is now Dnepropetrovsk?

– Nothing. Dnepropetrovsk turns slowly from the financial and industrial capital and the elite prep school in the county town. A complete backwater, unfortunately, do not want to go to investors who do not want to shop here open their representative offices or branches.

– In Ukraine, there is even a new generation of business? Is there such a thing as leaving the wave of businessmen, who rattled in the past?

– Yes, now there are some virtual businesses, it is mainly young people. But I think that in Ukraine they have very few opportunities, and sooner or later they will leave abroad. In general, the business is now deaf.

– It is in Ukraine?

– In general in the world. This objective can not be everything to hang on the current government. Of course, it is not always good for business. But there are objective things. This is a global financial crisis. And Ukraine is just completely lost the liquidity of the country, as an asset.

– What can we expect in, say, five years?

– It depends on the vector to take. If Ukraine goes to the East, this is a reversal. We will gradually turn into the outskirts of Russia.

– Taki absorption occurs?

– Of course, this is obvious.

– Other options are there?

– I guess was some sort of option in 2004, but his clumsy use amateurs and dreamers who came to power. On the other hand, if Ukraine goes to the West, it is also very hard way. Look at the Baltic. It turned into a garbage pit of Europe. There’s a very hard life in humans, they are really in poverty. In Europe, no one is waiting.

I think it should be somewhere in the middle, at least in the near future. And most importantly – a global financial crisis. As soon as he finished, and here things will be better.

The problem of power – a conditional problem. It changes, people change. There are things that are above this, and more global. This, above all, global financial flows, the global economy, global credit system. In other words, Ukraine is dependent on these things more than the power that is in the country.

– What would you like to say about his dead friend in prison interview?

– For me, there was no one closer. No one. It was more to me than a friend than a brother than a business partner. I have taken away the most expensive. I truly loved this man.

With or without the help of law enforcement, I still find who did it. And while here irrelevant.

Corban and Axelrod with Luciano Benetton (middle)